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Post by Host Sandros on Jun 7, 2007 13:40:22 GMT -5
Andrew please post your question here - Torah and Clayton reply with your answer here as well.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 8, 2007 8:41:04 GMT -5
Wassup lady and gent! First off, I have to say I'm extremely excitied that you are the final 2! In all my gaming experience, this is in my opinion, the best final 2 I've ever gotten to play against. Not to mention my personal favorite. So needless to say, this is an extremely hard vote. You both deserve to win and where in my opinion the best players this season.
So let's get to it. Clayton, we've been friends for a while now. And I have to agree with you that you played the Earl game very well. And I really respect your stratedgy of taking the more deserving player to the finals rather than take what would have been the easy win over Kyle. However, at the same time, that's like Colby taking Tina to the finals instead of Keith. Honorable, definently. Smart, less so, although to be fair Torah seems to have wanted to do that too, so I can't hold this against you too bad.
However, I can hold your clam of playing "with integrity" very much against you. You did not played an honest game. Not at all. You lied to me about Torah going at final 4, (not to mention let Kyle talk you into it, which was very odd considering that you could have voted Torah out and forced a tie where her past votes would have offed her. If it was just a tie-breaker, I could have at least had a fair chance to defend myself). Not to mention you lied to Kyle about this recent vote. Plus, I'm sure you lied to Heqet about sticking together the whole way, so let's just be clear. You did not play honestly, nobody did.=
But again, you played a great stratedgic game, really flawless in a way. You plans always prevailed.
Now for Torah. I agree with you that you played a great flip flop game. It's hard as heck to do that and for you to have survived this far despite being on just about everyone's radar the entire game is remarkable.
I have one really big issue with you're gamplay though. At final 5, you went with Clayton and Kyle over me and Sean. Now I know you thought I was a huge threat, (and thanks by the way! lol) but it really seemed like a dumb move on your part because you had to have know that with Clayton and Kyle, you would have one of them in the final 2, and that person would have 2 Heqet buddies in the jury, (we all know how close they were throughout the game). So it really seemed like a questionable move to me. In addition, it seemed like the only reason you voted Sean out was because he had just voted against you the last vote. So revenge over stratedgy really. So if you could, could you explain that move to me? Was it stratedgy or was it revenge?
And finally, I would like both you to do two things. 1) Please state 3 reasons you were the better PLAYER than the other. And 2) Give 3 reasons why the other player was a WORSE player than you. Thanks! You both rock!
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Post by Torah on Jun 8, 2007 8:50:37 GMT -5
In addition, it seemed like the only reason you voted Sean out was because he had just voted against you the last vote. So revenge over stratedgy really. So if you could, could you explain that move to me? Was it stratedgy or was it revenge?
And finally, I would like both you to do two things. 1) Please state 3 reasons you were the better PLAYER than the other. And 2) Give 3 reasons why the other player was a WORSE player than you. Thanks! You both rock!
Hey Andy, Well that move was weird haha I'll admit, it was for revenge, but then I though, hey if i take Andrew or Sean into the final 2 with me, I wouldn't have a good chance of winning due to the fact Andrew was at every TC and Sean was basically the last guy standing from his tribe making it all fair game with me and you two. So I stuck it out with the Heqets basically to say yeah this is competition, I am gonna over come it and beat these guys even if my numbers down and I managed too break through once again and again.
3 good things about Clayton was his; social ability to talk to somebody, and give them full detail on everybody, his kindness to everyone, and his lying was pretty decetfull, many people fell into that trap.
3 bad things. don't hate me Clay <3 He didn't play his hardest, he wasn't as a threat as I thought as in physical wise, he flip flopped badly, I mean I can proudly boast, HELLO! queen of flip floppers hehe. And he was not always loyal he did give me the cold shoulder come final 5 and final 4 with short answered remarks so when he is in the "clayton thinking mood" it's like a hi bye conversation, which you can't do that In a game of survivor, you need your poker face dude, which might I say Clayton kinda didn't pull off but anyways I have gone ovr 3 bad things sorry Andrew haha <3 hope this helps you making your decision xx.
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Post by clayton on Jun 8, 2007 11:50:02 GMT -5
So let's get to it. Clayton, we've been friends for a while now. And I have to agree with you that you played the Earl game very well. And I really respect your stratedgy of taking the more deserving player to the finals rather than take what would have been the easy win over Kyle. However, at the same time, that's like Colby taking Tina to the finals instead of Keith. Honorable, definently. Smart, less so, although to be fair Torah seems to have wanted to do that too, so I can't hold this against you too bad. However, I can hold your clam of playing "with integrity" very much against you. You did not played an honest game. Not at all. You lied to me about Torah going at final 4, (not to mention let Kyle talk you into it, which was very odd considering that you could have voted Torah out and forced a tie where her past votes would have offed her. If it was just a tie-breaker, I could have at least had a fair chance to defend myself). Not to mention you lied to Kyle about this recent vote. Plus, I'm sure you lied to Heqet about sticking together the whole way, so let's just be clear. You did not play honestly, nobody did.=
Sure I can clear it up, you're right no one played a squeeky clean game. I want you and Kyle to know that both of those times were not easy for me to do, i'm not a person who lies in my regular life so it was tough for me to do, but I knew I would have to take some risks to make it to Final 2. I'm a better player than Torah because she has made some obvious strategic mistakes by chooseing me & Kyle over Sean & Andrew. She didn't have to backstab as much as she did, but did anyway. She never made a decision as to who she thought should go at any certain time... always went with who I suggested, she could of made up her own mind. Reasons why I should win over Torah is because I played this game to the end without recieving a vote at TC, I handled the social aspect of the game well, I know how to manipulate. My strategy worked flawlessly, I managed to bring the people I wanted to, to the end. Thanks Andrew
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